Synthesia for Android Beta

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Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas » 07-30-14 6:58 pm

The first Synthesia for Android beta is available! Anyone with an Android (3.1 or later) tablet can participate.

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Here's how: Join the Synthesia for Android Beta


UPDATE JULY-2015: Google made this process MUCH easier. (It's just the link above.) Expand the spoiler to see how much work it used to be.
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From your Android tablet, visit the Synthesia for Android Beta Google+ community. (Joining a Google+ community is how Google keeps track of access to beta apps.)

If prompted, use the Google+ app. (Chrome doesn't show the community's links.)

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Expand the community's info pane.

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Tap "Join community".

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Follow the Google Play Store link for app testing.

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Tap the "Become a Tester" link.

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Follow the download link below that.

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(We're almost there!) Just tap the Install button;

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... and accept the beta's permissions.

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From that point on, the Google Play Store should handle downloading new beta builds automatically.
All this Android and Google Play stuff is new to us, so be gentle. Try everything out and let me know how it goes. For now, unlocking still isn't implemented, so you can only play the 20 or so trial songs. If you have a USB-OTG cable, you should be able to use your keyboard with the app.

techguy101
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Post by techguy101 » 07-30-14 7:17 pm

i'm going to test this on android x86

Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas » 07-30-14 7:35 pm

Er... there is a (really good) chance it's not going to work. I think the build is ARM-only for now. Are there a lot of x86 Android tablets out there? I didn't even have x86 on our radar.

techguy101
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Post by techguy101 » 07-30-14 7:40 pm

i think it has a arm translator.

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jimhenry
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Post by jimhenry » 07-31-14 4:38 am

The Synthesia download probably isn't set up quite right.

I first tried opening the Chrome browser on my Nexus 7 and following the links from this Forum. I found the Google+ Synthesia community and, if I remember correctly, I was able to join the community. But I could go no further. I did not see the link to the Google Play Store.

I then used the Google+ app on the Nexus and I was able to see the link to the Google Play Store but it didn't work. I think it was here that I was able sign up as a tester.

Then I logged into Google+ using Firefox on my PC and I was able to get to the Google Play Store. I selected Install and selected my Nexus 7 as the device to install on. Maybe 5 minutes later Synthesia was installed on the Nexus 7.

Sorry I don't have a better picture of what happened where. I don't think the several hours to download is the way it should be. My procedure doesn't seem rational either. I suspect some small tweaks are needed to allow a straightforward download using only the Android.

My suggestion would be to start by trying to figure out why the Google Play Store link doesn't work from the Nexus 7 Google+ app. If it did, I think the Google+ app would have provided a straightforward download procedure.

My first impression of Synthesia for Android was that it works as expected. I do have a USB-OTG cable so I will try this with my keyboard in the next few days.
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revilo2
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Post by revilo2 » 07-31-14 4:48 am

Hello,

I can't access to Google store with my tablet. :(

do you plan to distribute finale Android's version of Synthesia on other stores ?
:?

will it be free for synthesia's users ?

Thanks

darkman
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Post by darkman » 07-31-14 5:51 am

Glad to see that first beta!

Working nicely on my Nexus 7 (2013).

I don't have an USB OTG cable to test with my keyboard however...

Can't wait for the unlockable version ! :P

Nice work Nicholas ;)

Yasje
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Post by Yasje » 07-31-14 7:02 am

Gonan test it soon as possible!

advalencia
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Post by advalencia » 07-31-14 8:35 am

oooh this is great news, do you know what kind of cable I need to connect a Yamaha DGX-630 to a Galaxy Tab 10.1?

Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas » 07-31-14 8:50 am

jimhenry wrote:The Synthesia download probably isn't set up quite right.
I was a little suspicious about that myself. I'll polish that experience up a bit later today. I'm going to add some pictures to the top post to help point out all the steps, too.

EDIT: Added. Hopefully that should lead everyone in the right direction. You were right that Chrome wasn't showing the links. The Google+ app seems to though.
revilo2 wrote:do you plan to distribute finale Android's version of Synthesia on other stores ?
:?
Which stores did you have in mind? Kindle Fire is going to be tricky because they don't allow apps to talk to USB devices at all. So Synthesia would have to be touch-screen only for now. For that reason, today we're focusing on Google Play and will try to work out a solution for Kindle later.
revilo2 wrote:will it be free for synthesia's users ?
This is also something I've been trying to nail down for a while now. I'm starting to lean closer to the iPad model, where it's a separate unlock, but a low-cost one. That keeps it easy to understand, super-convenient to do the unlock on the device in a single tap, and you don't have to worry about hauling codes around. As Synthesia proliferates to the other storefronts (Steam, Windows Store, Mac App Store, etc.), the single-click unlock is a powerful device that I want to embrace.

So at the moment, my expectation is that unlocking the Android version will be a Google Play in-app purchase for something around $9. As per usual for app stores, it will work on all your Android devices and is good forever.
advalencia wrote:do you know what kind of cable I need to connect a Yamaha DGX-630 to a Galaxy Tab 10.1?
I haven't updated the Keyboards page for Android yet, but it should be pretty similar to the PC or Mac option + a special USB-OTG ("On the Go") cable like this one.

For your DGX-630 (which has USB), all you need beyond the OTG cable is a plain USB printer-style cable. (That is, an "A to B" cable.)

techguy101
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Post by techguy101 » 07-31-14 9:01 am

Well i tried to run synthesia on android x86 hears what happened:

synthesia had problems with graphics like:

half of the image was messed up

well my laptop runs at 1600X900 this could be my problem

thats all i can say right now.

Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas » 07-31-14 9:04 am

techguy101 wrote:... my laptop ...
Oh! It's not even a tablet! Interesting. Is that a custom setup or does someone sell a laptop with Android pre-installed? Hopefully it at least has a touchscreen.

For now, I'm going to have to call x86 unsupported just because I don't have a great way to test it. Though, after looking into the subject, Atom-based x86 Android tablets do seem like a new thing that's starting to accelerate. We may look in that direction in the future.

techguy101
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Post by techguy101 » 07-31-14 9:15 am

The laptop i have is a Toshiba Satellite L555-S7001

and hears the specs:

Touch screen: No

RAM: 4GB

Processor: Intel Pentium T4400

OS: Windows 7 And Android x86 Dual Booted

lunalisk
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Post by lunalisk » 07-31-14 4:31 pm

Nicholas wrote:Er... there is a (really good) chance it's not going to work. I think the build is ARM-only for now. Are there a lot of x86 Android tablets out there? I didn't even have x86 on our radar.
Don't know if there's a lot but at least ASUS releases Atom based tablets, which are x86 (and I unfortunately have one). I believe most of their MemoPad line is Atom. I know HP has also released at least one.

Katka
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Post by Katka » 08-01-14 7:09 am

I got to the google store page fine but can't install it, it says 'this app is incompatible with your device'. I suspect it thinks my tablet is a mobile (it's sortof both).

Device: ASUS Fonepad ME371MG
OS: Android 4.1.2
Screen size: 1280*800

Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas » 08-01-14 7:33 am

Your Fonepad's screen should be big enough. Looking at its specs though, I think the reason is because it's got an Intel processor. That makes it an x86 Android tablet instead of an ARM Android tablet. I'm starting to get the impression there are a lot more x86 tablets out there than I realized. (Two days ago I thought there were zero out there, so I suppose that is true by default.)

Out of curiosity, if you try to play a MIDI file (like this one) on your tablet, does the audio play correctly through the default music player? The reason I ask is that Android's MIDI synth appears to be written in hand-optimized ARM assembly and to the best of my knowledge there isn't an x86 version. Although, Intel seems to be claiming real-time ARM-to-x86 translation with "unnoticeable performance impact for most applications", so maybe it will work. Of course, that same statement makes you wonder why Synthesia doesn't work out of the box. Hmm.

Katka
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Post by Katka » 08-01-14 9:11 am

Yep, the midi plays fine.

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Post by Nicholas » 08-01-14 10:16 am

Thanks for checking! That means there is hope. :D

So, the good news is that we just decided if this much x86 feedback has arrived in just the first 24 hours of the beta, there's a good chance it's something we need to support officially. I just ordered a pair of Atom Android tablets so we can work on that. The next build (or maybe the one after that) should work on everyone's tablet.

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Post by jimhenry » 08-01-14 12:25 pm

It is difficult to tap buttons in the top bar without also tapping the progress bar on a Nexus 7. Is there a way to figure out what is closest to the center of a touch and only touch that one item?

The pop-up Home, Back, Open Apps bar at the bottom of the on-screen keys is an annoyance.
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Nicholas
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Post by Nicholas » 08-01-14 6:29 pm

jimhenry wrote:Is there a way to figure out what is closest to the center of a touch and only touch that one item?
Not that I know of.

... although, if you're on a Nexus 7 both of those bars should be hidden most of the time. Which version of Android is your tablet running? The status and button bars should be hidden unless you swipe down from top to show them.

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