Yup, gotta love Core MIDI on iOS. ION is making a bigger one too: http://www.ionaudio.com/products/details/pianomasterNicholas wrote:Yeah, if it does CoreMIDI it should work just fine. Though, I'm not sure how useful two octaves is. If they went to all the trouble to produce an actual physical device, it's a shame they didn't decide to make it bigger.
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Learning, creating, recording, and performing music on the iPhone and iPad...
http://www.iosmusician.com/
http://www.iosmusician.com/
So, there won't be a better time to do the major UI theme redesign than this release. I've mentioned before that the retina display in the third-gen iPad requires I rebuild all my graphics... and if I'm already rebuilding them, it's a good chance to update them. I've wanted the site and the game to match for years now.
Brace yourselves. This is a lot of change. How does something like this look for the title screen?
I'm still figuring out how things will need to look to make them work on every screen, but I like what is there so far. What do you guys think?
(And yes, everything is supposed to be that large. I'm keeping the iPad and desktop UIs as similar as possible to reduce the overhead of maintaining separate code paths.)
Brace yourselves. This is a lot of change. How does something like this look for the title screen?
I'm still figuring out how things will need to look to make them work on every screen, but I like what is there so far. What do you guys think?
(And yes, everything is supposed to be that large. I'm keeping the iPad and desktop UIs as similar as possible to reduce the overhead of maintaining separate code paths.)
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Looks great to me...Nicholas wrote:Brace yourselves. This is a lot of change. How does something like this look for the title screen?
I'm still figuring out how things will need to look to make them work on every screen, but I like what is there so far. What do you guys think?
Learning, creating, recording, and performing music on the iPhone and iPad...
http://www.iosmusician.com/
http://www.iosmusician.com/
YesNicholas wrote:They're the same colors used here and on the main site, aren't they? Do those hurt your eyes too?
I liked the old dark gray site.
The layout looks good. I still don't understand why you couldn't make the layout more modular that way the sizes could change.
The title screen it doesn't matter. But the song list/adv track it was nice being able to see more. And have the rating/difficulty in one place.
It does look like it will look good!(on the iPad)
Lots of things are changing. 0.8.2 and 0.8.3 were individually huge releases. They will be tiny compared to this one for as much as is changing behind the scenes. The answer to your concern is that now I'll be able to. If this goes the way I think it will, we'll be 90% of the way toward being able to resize the window on the fly!Raymond wrote:The layout looks good. I still don't understand why you couldn't make the layout more modular that way the sizes could change.
So, re-skinning makes sense because I have to rebuild all my graphics anyway. No better time for it.
What I realized in the last day or so: reworking my window layout code makes sense because now I have to rebuild every single screen(!) for the iPad. So there is also no better time for that. And doing it now when so much needs to change will probably end up a time-savings because the old method is painfully slow (and has been for six years now).
Lemo is going to be super excited when he see's how this is going to change things. Talk about better modding support...
At first it sounded like you where just going to mess it up for the desktop, to make it all fit on the iPad.
But it's all good, now that I know it's not true.
But it's all good, now that I know it's not true.
I would be more than willing to help, Although I don't have much c/c++ experience. (just vb/vb.net some c# and java)Nicholas wrote:I am getting totally stressed out because of how much work all of this is going to be,
I think everyone agrees that a white background is neat and classy for a home page,
but IMO you should keep the default skin black and comfy for the game
So, you're gonna do vector graphics or something?
but IMO you should keep the default skin black and comfy for the game
So, you're gonna do vector graphics or something?
Stuff & experiments for Synthesia: Gramp v0.2 • Skinbox • FireSynth • Video • Webradio
The play screen will be mostly unchanged. Same dark gray background.Lemo wrote:but IMO you should keep the default skin black and comfy for the game
The bulk of the changes will be to the menu screens... which are starting to get more indistinguishable from web pages anyway.
Not quite. We'll see if it works and how much will be extensible, but very shortly you should have control over every single color and the placement, properties, and style of nearly every control on every screen.Lemo wrote:So, you're gonna do vector graphics or something?
1. The Play button looks too much like a ordinary button, even though it is the most important one. I would have it in some other color (green?) and with a "play" triangle/forward arrow on it.Nicholas wrote:How does something like this look for the title screen?
2. The "visit site" links: I'm not sure the forward arrow is a good symbol; i would expect it to somehow progress forward to the next screen in the app itself. A curved "redo" arrow, or a different icon altogether, would be better.
3. The exit button might be better if it had another color (red?).
Songs learned using Synthesia:
CT: Wind Scene, The Trial | FF7: Prelude | SMB: Overworld, Underwater | Tetris: Theme A | Zelda: Lost Woods | Other: Für Elise
CT: Wind Scene, The Trial | FF7: Prelude | SMB: Overworld, Underwater | Tetris: Theme A | Zelda: Lost Woods | Other: Für Elise
Those are all great ideas. (I was a little worried about the View Site arrows, but you drove home why.)maccer wrote:1. The Play button looks too much like a ordinary button, even though it is the most important one. I would have it in some other color (green?) and with a "play" triangle/forward arrow on it.
2. The "visit site" links: I'm not sure the forward arrow is a good symbol; i would expect it to somehow progress forward to the next screen in the app itself. A curved "redo" arrow, or a different icon altogether, would be better.
3. The exit button might be better if it had another color (red?).
The relative lack of icons/graphics is because I'm mostly going to have to go-it-alone now. The Fugue icons are only available at 16x16. Not only do all of my buttons have to get a little larger (so something like 24x24 would have been better), but for the iPad 3 I need double-resolution graphics. That makes 16x16 awfully tiny. I'll be making a lot of my own now.
For #2, how about a little globe icon (like I use for website links in the official version)?
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+1DC64 wrote:I think it's okay for the organization, but the colors hurt my eyes a little.
Having a custom choice of colors might be good.(?)
1st, I find the orange and yellow a little too much. It's too colorful imho.
2nd, a dark/grey colorscheme looks more professional (it is said that you can focus better with darker background, that's why all these programs like Photoshop or 3DSMax have dark grey background).
You've swayed me. (The idea of a "dark color scheme" is so strong in some of those high-end pieces of software that you don't get the darkest one unless you buy the best edition.)
I'll see what I can't do about including color themes... themes that the Lemo-types out there will be able to create more of. They'll also be really easy to share. I might even be amenable to including a few user-created themes in the picker.
It might not be perfect this time around and modding support will still be unofficial, but this new UI layout stuff I'm working on is coming along way better and faster than I expected and something like color themes will take next to zero effort to include.
I'll see what I can't do about including color themes... themes that the Lemo-types out there will be able to create more of. They'll also be really easy to share. I might even be amenable to including a few user-created themes in the picker.
It might not be perfect this time around and modding support will still be unofficial, but this new UI layout stuff I'm working on is coming along way better and faster than I expected and something like color themes will take next to zero effort to include.
Yes, a globe would probably be a good choice!Nicholas wrote:For #2, how about a little globe icon (like I use for website links in the official version)?
Songs learned using Synthesia:
CT: Wind Scene, The Trial | FF7: Prelude | SMB: Overworld, Underwater | Tetris: Theme A | Zelda: Lost Woods | Other: Für Elise
CT: Wind Scene, The Trial | FF7: Prelude | SMB: Overworld, Underwater | Tetris: Theme A | Zelda: Lost Woods | Other: Für Elise
Thanks Illynir!
Otherwise, the UI overhaul is coming along nicely. Most of the infrastructure work is done at this point and this feels like the tipping point: I've been complaining for years that my UI stuff is some "wacky homebrew" solution but that I'd been going down this path too long to switch now. Well... now it doesn't feel so wacky or homebrew anymore. It feels pretty mature and can hold its own against most other UI frameworks now. No promises for 0.8.4, but something like 98% of the work required for real-time window resizing is going to just be in there for free because of the rest of this work.
Also, this isn't a mockup anymore:And it was produced using these two files:
The first one (colors.xml) has theme support (see the last three lines) and a really easy way to view changes to the file without restarting Synthesia. I'll describe all that when the next development preview goes out. In the meantime, this is to whet the whistle of people like Lemo.
Otherwise, the UI overhaul is coming along nicely. Most of the infrastructure work is done at this point and this feels like the tipping point: I've been complaining for years that my UI stuff is some "wacky homebrew" solution but that I'd been going down this path too long to switch now. Well... now it doesn't feel so wacky or homebrew anymore. It feels pretty mature and can hold its own against most other UI frameworks now. No promises for 0.8.4, but something like 98% of the work required for real-time window resizing is going to just be in there for free because of the rest of this work.
Also, this isn't a mockup anymore:
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