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Postby hannibal » 10-09-18 4:41 pm

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to learn piano with synthesia.
I practice from 2 weeks now and I'm currently working on letter fur elise in easy mode.

I don't understand this:
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Why I should change my hand here ? It's very easier to just continue to use the right hand.

Thanks in advance for your help ;)
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Postby jimhenry » 10-09-18 7:24 pm

That is a very good question.

One answer to your question is that it is difficult to learn piano from Synthesia. Synthesia is a practice tool, not a tutorial. The best way to learn is from a teacher who can see what you are doing and give you exercises and explanations tailored to your needs. If that is not possible, a self-study course that provides explanations along with music can be used. Synthesia by itself will leave you with many questions and allow you to develop bad habits.

But to try to answer your question, first you have to understand that the piece you are playing is a simplification of Für Elise arranged by Gilbert DeBenedetti to give a beginner the feeling of playing a piano classic. Next you have to understand that piano fingering is not absolute; it can lead to sometimes furious debates about how it is best done. My guess is the fingering for Für Elise should be chosen to emphasize the phrasing of the piece. (But I have never studied Für Elise with a piano teacher.) Groups of notes that are played with the same hand tend to flow together more easily than those that are split between the hands. Sometimes one chooses a less obvious fingering that produces a better sound.

That said, I don't think the fingering shown by Synthesia is correct. This is a link to the sheet music and videos from DeBenedetti's G Major Music Theory website:
http://gmajormusictheory.org/Freebies/freebies1.html
As is typical of beginner pieces, DeBenedetti has arranged the piece so that both hands play in a fixed 5 finger position. Right hand thumb is on middle C and the remaining fingers play notes that naturally fall under the finger. You do have to change from white to black keys with the same finger. Left hand thumb is on G below middle C and the remaining fingers are on the notes naturally under the fingers. I disagree with DeBenedetti's decision to write the long notes as dotted half notes. I think writing them as quarter notes would be a better reflection of the original.

So you are correct that DeBenedetti intended for you to play those repeated notes with your right hand, not the left as shown by Synthesia. But when you get to the real Für Elise, which won't be for some time, the fingering will have little resemblance to what you are doing now. If you weren't a beginner, a teacher might have you play blue notes 4-6 in your screenshot with the right hand to get more of the feel of the real piece with 3 note phrases in the left hand answered by 4 note phrases in the right hand. This shows the phrasing I am suggesting:

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But for now, play the first two green eighth notes with your left hand and the third eighth note with your right. Do shorten those long notes to quarter notes so you can restrike the note as an eighth as part of the four note phrase.
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Postby hannibal » 10-10-18 4:07 am

Thanks a lot for your long a complet answer :wink:

I checked your link, and I'm currently playing like this guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzc_LZEH4yU
So according with what you explain, it's logic for me to play without moving a lot by hands (else, I did a lot of mistake, because I didn't found the right key :D )

Again thanks you for your time, I will continu to play like that and have a lot a pleasure to lean piano ;)
Maybe someday, I will take a piano teacher for helping me when I will be more confortable with the piano.
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Postby jimhenry » 10-11-18 7:00 am

Just to confirm, in the early stages of learning piano you will play with your hands in one position, as you are doing.

If you have the opportunity to study with a teacher, I encourage you to do it now rather than later. When you are more comfortable with piano, you will have learned bad habits that you will have to unlearn. And that is harder and takes longer than learning correctly from the beginning.
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Postby hannibal » 10-12-18 5:41 am

In fact, I just try to play one hour when I came back from my jobs. I doesn't have time to go to piano course.... :cry:

I know I will learn bad habit, but I prefer have bad habit instead of not playing piano at all ...
I want to play piano from a long time and do I never found time (and money also) to take some course. So I will try by myself ;)
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Postby revilo2 » 10-12-18 9:41 am

Synthesia 11 will help you for this.... coming soon
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Postby hannibal » 10-12-18 10:54 am

I'm under linux ..... Maybe , I hope I will can use it but ... I still use the version 10.2, the latest wine compatible .... (This line will be only comprehensible with people with knowledge in computer :D )
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Postby jimhenry » 10-12-18 12:39 pm

hannibal wrote:In fact, I just try to play one hour when I came back from my jobs. I doesn't have time to go to piano course.... :cry:

I know I will learn bad habit, but I prefer have bad habit instead of not playing piano at all ...
I want to play piano from a long time and do I never found time (and money also) to take some course. So I will try by myself ;)

I completely understand. I would suggest you do two things.

1) Find ONE piano instruction book designed for adults teaching themselves and follow that book for at least three months before you consider changing to a different book. A book will guide you through exercises and pieces in a methodical way and provide some important explanations of what you should be doing. "All About Piano" by Mark Harrison, ISBN 978-1-4234-0816-1, is one such book. It does touch on classical pieces but it emphasizes popular music.

2) Learn how to create MIDI files so you can create MIDI files for the exercises and songs in your piano book. You can use the free MuseScore to do this. It is not too hard and it goes pretty fast.
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Postby Nicholas » 10-12-18 12:53 pm

hannibal wrote:I still use the version 10.2, the latest wine compatible...

I vaguely remember this being fixed in newer versions of Wine. Double-check that you have the latest one. (Often this is not the version you get from an "apt-get upgrade" or whatever your distro uses.)
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Postby hannibal » 10-12-18 3:28 pm

@jimhenry: Thanks for your advice, I will try to find this book but in french :D

@Nicholas: I have tried and it's working ;) Thanks ;)
Do you know the date for the next release :?:
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Postby jimhenry » 10-12-18 6:45 pm

Don't feel that you have to find the book that I mentioned. I am sure there are good choices in French. Just be sure it is a self-study book intended for adults. Many books assume you will have a teacher helping you.
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Postby hannibal » 10-16-18 3:40 pm

Do you know if the book Piano for dummies or Piano exercies for dummies are they good for learning piano without teacher ? (theses books exist in French ;) )
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Postby jimhenry » 10-16-18 5:40 pm

I am not familiar with the Piano for Dummies books. Judging from the Table of Contents, it seems like it takes a long time to get to playing the piano.

Muddling through Amazon.fr, I found this:
J'apprends... LE PIANO tout simplement Niveau 1&2 C. Astie + CD

Hopefully someone who has used Piano for Dummies or a French piano instruction book can provide better information.
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